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The book with four fingering patterns for 3 row bayan.
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w.d.
2006-06-30 01:56:25 UTC
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Hi, All chromatic B-system players,

I advice any CBA B-system player to copy for himself the entire book
of "Selfteacher" by A. Tusurmanow. The book was published in 1989 in
Moscow. So its relatively still very current. It contains 129 pages
with very good description of any needed theoretical features
encountered by accordion player from the beginner to the
professional. It could be put on the CD for the future reference. I
did that because one Russian book about harmoshka disappeared from the
Russian web site. At least I predicted such eventuality and copied
the picture of the keyboard and a few nice melodies.

It deals only with 3 row chromatic bayan, but it was written about
Russians, Ukrainians and Belo Russians so called Eastern Slavs. This
system is also used extensively in other European countries. I have
very nice book in Polish for 5 row chromatic system B, yet this book
into other languages. If this would be translated, it would have to
have the list of songs and melodies from other parts of the world.
Those Eastern Slavic songs are unknown elsewhere, and a few of them
have melodies that go back to bygone era, and I wonder if they even
play them in Russia anymore.

Yet, I found in it already a few fingering errors. I use my own
four fingering pattern that I work on when I learn every melody. I
also use the thumb sparingly when there is too big stretch when going
down or up.
As, I see it, the fingering pattern cannot be made universal. There
are some general things, but many fingering patterns have to be
adjusted accordingly to physiological features of every individual.


Overall, it is very good book for reference, but I do not intend to
drop PA for the sake of learning chromatic. I'm too old to start
all over the whole process. According to what I know now about
chromatic accordions systems, I would first study the piano accordion
anyway, and only after five six years would picked up the chromatic.
It would be B system only, because in my opinion this is more natural
system that can be learned intuitively. I also found out that the
chords on 3 row chromatic could be much easier drilled and mastered.
At least it is my own preference.

No wonder many virtuosos of Eastern Slavic origin do not change to 5
row B system chromatic, even if the opportunity to own it and to buy
it shows up. They do very well just plying 3 row bayan - a
chromatic button accordion that has that system in existence since the
middle of XIX century. Nobody can say positively and surely now,
that the accordion is going to the tubes in the future.

http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.zip
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zip

The above is thanks to Rashid who providing that link.

Enjoy it,
W.D.
RobRoy
2006-07-06 05:08:58 UTC
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Thanks for the information w.d. I've just purchased a 5-row CBA
B-system accordion, and after 4 days I'm really loving it. I've only
played the Piano keyboard Accordion in the past, but I want to learn
the CBA. I'm a sponge for resources on learning this instrument. I
hope I will be able to find a good teacher in the Los Angeles / Orange
County area of souther California. Thus far my extensive search jas
yeilded nothing.
I'll be combing this web group for all the information I can find.
RobRoy
Post by w.d.
Hi, All chromatic B-system players,
I advice any CBA B-system player to copy for himself the entire book
of "Selfteacher" by A. Tusurmanow. The book was published in 1989 in
Moscow. So its relatively still very current. It contains 129 pages
with very good description of any needed theoretical features
encountered by accordion player from the beginner to the
professional. It could be put on the CD for the future reference. I
did that because one Russian book about harmoshka disappeared from the
Russian web site. At least I predicted such eventuality and copied
the picture of the keyboard and a few nice melodies.
It deals only with 3 row chromatic bayan, but it was written about
Russians, Ukrainians and Belo Russians so called Eastern Slavs. This
system is also used extensively in other European countries. I have
very nice book in Polish for 5 row chromatic system B, yet this book
into other languages. If this would be translated, it would have to
have the list of songs and melodies from other parts of the world.
Those Eastern Slavic songs are unknown elsewhere, and a few of them
have melodies that go back to bygone era, and I wonder if they even
play them in Russia anymore.
Yet, I found in it already a few fingering errors. I use my own
four fingering pattern that I work on when I learn every melody. I
also use the thumb sparingly when there is too big stretch when going
down or up.
As, I see it, the fingering pattern cannot be made universal. There
are some general things, but many fingering patterns have to be
adjusted accordingly to physiological features of every individual.
Overall, it is very good book for reference, but I do not intend to
drop PA for the sake of learning chromatic. I'm too old to start
all over the whole process. According to what I know now about
chromatic accordions systems, I would first study the piano accordion
anyway, and only after five six years would picked up the chromatic.
It would be B system only, because in my opinion this is more natural
system that can be learned intuitively. I also found out that the
chords on 3 row chromatic could be much easier drilled and mastered.
At least it is my own preference.
No wonder many virtuosos of Eastern Slavic origin do not change to 5
row B system chromatic, even if the opportunity to own it and to buy
it shows up. They do very well just plying 3 row bayan - a
chromatic button accordion that has that system in existence since the
middle of XIX century. Nobody can say positively and surely now,
that the accordion is going to the tubes in the future.
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.zip
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zip
The above is thanks to Rashid who providing that link.
Enjoy it,
W.D.
w.d.
2006-07-06 10:10:50 UTC
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Post by RobRoy
Thanks for the information w.d. I've just purchased a 5-row CBA
B-system accordion, and after 4 days I'm really loving it. I've only
played the Piano keyboard Accordion in the past, but I want to learn
the CBA. I'm a sponge for resources on learning this instrument. I
hope I will be able to find a good teacher in the Los Angeles / Orange
County area of souther California. Thus far my extensive search jas
yeilded nothing.
I'll be combing this web group for all the information I can find.
RobRoy
It was very smart decision on your part to pick up B-system chromatic.
The B-system chromatic is more intuitive and useful for playing chords
or mixing chords and the single notes passages.

I practice now on 3 row Ukrainian bayan with basses similar to
Stradella. I was very frustrated before when I started to learn five
rows chromatistics because of fingering patterns, but I learned to
make my own fingerings along as I practice. I really enjoy make my own
fingering pattern puzzles.
I think that chromatic accordion players deserve lot of credit,
respect and admiration. This is much harder instrument to master than
the PA due to the choice of a few ways how fingers can be used, learned
and easily forgotten. If you overcome that initial stalemate, you will
be on the way to success.

Until you find a teacher, please practice some melodies from that
Russian book that you can get for free from the link that Rashid
Karimov from NY placed for us. Do that only on three-four rows with
four fingers only and the thumb occasionally. Do not forget to practice
from memory and drill every song till you can play it without looking
at the keyboard.

PS. What model of CBA did you get and who made it?

Enjoy it,
W.D.
RobRoy
2006-07-06 20:15:58 UTC
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I'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. I
certain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has
96 Stradella base. It has 6 trable switches, and two base switches. I
ordered a book on playing the CBA. It should help. I looks like I'm
on my own teaching myself. I can do it but it may take longer and a
little more frustration. But I like a challenge.
thanks for the encouragement.
RobRoy
Post by w.d.
Post by RobRoy
Thanks for the information w.d. I've just purchased a 5-row CBA
B-system accordion, and after 4 days I'm really loving it. I've only
played the Piano keyboard Accordion in the past, but I want to learn
the CBA. I'm a sponge for resources on learning this instrument. I
hope I will be able to find a good teacher in the Los Angeles / Orange
County area of souther California. Thus far my extensive search jas
yeilded nothing.
I'll be combing this web group for all the information I can find.
RobRoy
It was very smart decision on your part to pick up B-system chromatic.
The B-system chromatic is more intuitive and useful for playing chords
or mixing chords and the single notes passages.
I practice now on 3 row Ukrainian bayan with basses similar to
Stradella. I was very frustrated before when I started to learn five
rows chromatistics because of fingering patterns, but I learned to
make my own fingerings along as I practice. I really enjoy make my own
fingering pattern puzzles.
I think that chromatic accordion players deserve lot of credit,
respect and admiration. This is much harder instrument to master than
the PA due to the choice of a few ways how fingers can be used, learned
and easily forgotten. If you overcome that initial stalemate, you will
be on the way to success.
Until you find a teacher, please practice some melodies from that
Russian book that you can get for free from the link that Rashid
Karimov from NY placed for us. Do that only on three-four rows with
four fingers only and the thumb occasionally. Do not forget to practice
from memory and drill every song till you can play it without looking
at the keyboard.
PS. What model of CBA did you get and who made it?
Enjoy it,
W.D.
w.d.
2006-07-06 23:29:29 UTC
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Post by RobRoy
I'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. I
certain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has
96 Stradella base.>>>
Thank you Rob for disclosing the name of your accordion. Since you are
knowledgeable about workings of piano accordions, I'm sure you are also
able to tell what is overall quality of Morelli's CBA's. They look
nice on the pictures.

What is your opinion about its general performance: the musette sound,
responsiveness of reeds to bellows movement, the easiness to open and
close bellows, the softness of bass buttons, weight and overall feel of
it while playing or so called ergonomic design.

If you do not want to tell this in this forum, please drop me the
private note n the e-mail. I will be discrete about it if you wish.
I'm asking because, I thought myself about buying Chinese CBA. CBA's
are overall very expensive, but probably the dealers get them for
around $275-$300 directly from the factory. One time before around
2003, I was offered the dealership and distribution in USA of CBA
small Chinese accordions but I was connected with Delicia at that time
and wasn't interested in them. Delicia went out of accordion business
at the end of 2004. Delicia made very nice CBA accordions but the
accordion market wasn't strong enough for all manufacturing.

Best Regards,
W.D.
RobRoy
2006-07-07 04:20:39 UTC
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My 5-row Morelli weighs appxmtly 21.5 pounds. I wish it was lighter.
I like the musette sound. The bass does well either soft volume or
loud. The reaction (key to sound) is good. I think it is quick. In
some ways I like it better than my old Excelsior, but you should
remember that I've played only one other accordion besides the ones I
just bought. I tested one other Excelsior in the shop where I bought
the symphony grand. Not counting the 2 boxes I owned 15 years ago, but
I don't recall anything about those except that one of them was a
Parrot.
RobRoy
Post by w.d.
Post by RobRoy
I'm not sure which model I have but the brand name is Morelli. I
certain it was made in China, but it is new and cost just $700. It has
96 Stradella base.>>>
Thank you Rob for disclosing the name of your accordion. Since you are
knowledgeable about workings of piano accordions, I'm sure you are also
able to tell what is overall quality of Morelli's CBA's. They look
nice on the pictures.
What is your opinion about its general performance: the musette sound,
responsiveness of reeds to bellows movement, the easiness to open and
close bellows, the softness of bass buttons, weight and overall feel of
it while playing or so called ergonomic design.
If you do not want to tell this in this forum, please drop me the
private note n the e-mail. I will be discrete about it if you wish.
I'm asking because, I thought myself about buying Chinese CBA. CBA's
are overall very expensive, but probably the dealers get them for
around $275-$300 directly from the factory. One time before around
2003, I was offered the dealership and distribution in USA of CBA
small Chinese accordions but I was connected with Delicia at that time
and wasn't interested in them. Delicia went out of accordion business
at the end of 2004. Delicia made very nice CBA accordions but the
accordion market wasn't strong enough for all manufacturing.
Best Regards,
W.D.
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