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bugari reeds
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ike milligan
2015-03-28 05:08:29 UTC
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When were Bugari reeds made? How do they compare to other reeds?
ciao_accordion
2015-03-28 13:35:53 UTC
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Post by ike milligan
Bugari reeds
hi Ike,

Bugari's emblem is a tuning Fork, and they seem to have built
their reputation along the lines of "tone and precision"

one of our club members has a very very nice, high end late
model Bugari, and it clearly has "World class" tone while
the reeds start with a whisper of effort... he plays Jazz
and i've seen him fly on that box... has a cool retro-style
keyboard too - squared tips kinda like my FisItalia

they appear to be in good health as a business, with a fairly
broad line of high-end Accordions tailored to several categories,
and i believe they focus on Europe and Canada while having more or
less avoided the USA, or at least not counted on it much

i do not know if they make their own reeds, or if they just finish
them (there being so few actual reed-makers left) You could ask
Dale Weis if you run into him - though retired, after Guerrini
closed commercial operations, Dale got a dealership with Borsini
so he could continue offering nice accordions to his students etc.

that's about all i know, as i never visited their factory

ciao

Ventura
ike milligan
2015-03-29 03:37:39 UTC
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Post by ike milligan
Bugari reeds
hi Ike,
Bugari's emblem is a tuning Fork, and they seem to have built
their reputation along the lines of "tone and precision"
one of our club members has a very very nice, high end late
model Bugari, and it clearly has "World class" tone while
the reeds start with a whisper of effort... he plays Jazz
and i've seen him fly on that box... has a cool retro-style
keyboard too - squared tips kinda like my FisItalia
they appear to be in good health as a business, with a fairly
broad line of high-end Accordions tailored to several categories,
and i believe they focus on Europe and Canada while having more or
less avoided the USA, or at least not counted on it much
i do not know if they make their own reeds, or if they just finish
them (there being so few actual reed-makers left) You could ask
Dale Weis if you run into him - though retired, after Guerrini
closed commercial operations, Dale got a dealership with Borsini
so he could continue offering nice accordions to his students etc.
that's about all i know, as i never visited their factory
ciao
Ventura
Thanks for that information. Phil!
Two reasons I asked, is that the late Meni-Ketti of the music store in
Oakland CA in 1979 nentioned to me that the players of his era, which
stretched back into the 1930's, often demanded Bugari reeds.
So that from that brief mention, I might surmise that Bugari was once a
reed-maker of note, and the fact that I have acquired an accordion
recently which had a printed card in the original case attesting to its
supposedly having Bugari reeds, and its vintage possibly being 1960's,
though I am slightly underwhelmed by its mechanical construction, though
I have seen worse Excelsiors (for reasons I will go into later), as I
said it seems that Bugari was a reed maker, though now a manufacturing
firm, with reed-makers unknown. And indeed that might be a guarded
secret asw to who the reed makers for them now is/are. In fact I think
in Meni-Ketti's time, he wondered what actual named person(s) was making
the best reeds, assuming he thought it was not someone named Bugari.
Now as to the construction of the Basili accordion, of which there are
actually two in my shop, maybe both having Bugari reeds, the one I am
restoring for the customer, is better made than the other one which I
haven't had a chance to play, and am working on now, instead of the all
wood traditional treble keys which I would have expected in a full size,
the lesser one has brass flanges astride the partitions in the keybed,
through which was threaded dual nickel 2mm diameter key spindles.
The brass was slowly eating up the nickel causing some friction to
occur, and the treble key-valves were covered in tiny nickel flakes,
which also permeated the surface of the key bed, and which I blew out
with compressed air. After a few days and inquiries trying to find the
appropriate diameter stainless steel spindles, which online were listed
in 900 mm size (to cut in half) as costing about $50 and up, primarily
for use by Hobbits (That's a joke's son) hobbyists building motors and
such, a certain supplier had the actual accordion ones for $14 each, and
another claimed not to have them and pretended not to know what they
were, I finally contacted a certain local guy whom I'm sure you know,
who sold me a pair very reasonably which were already beveled on the
tips, the right lengths and when duly installed and made a very positive
difference.
So now, Phil I have got your very interesting take on Bugari accordions
(of which I saw one recently listed on ebay with palpably dirty or rusty
reeds for about $5,000) What do you hear about Basili as a maker?

Ciao
ciao_accordion
2015-03-29 20:18:10 UTC
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What do you hear about Basili as a maker?
hey Ike,

i checked my archives, and there is not one single solitary
photo of an accordion under that brand name

in the chronology of principles and major brands, i could find
no reference to Basili at all

it's interesting that you have 2 of 'em, and of such different
quality/manufacturing style - as much like they came from
2 different factories? maybe they were an American brand from
some accordion "school" in the mid-west... lot's of brand names
that came and went mostly un-remarked into history's dust-bin

Bugari has been around for a long time, and maybe they supplied reeds
for other makers way back when so many companies DID have reed-makers
in house. It may also interest you to know, one of the "Classic" toned
accordions Roland used when it did their sampling/modeling for the
FR-7 project was a big old black, tone chambered Bugari (with a bad
lower A flat on the push in the chambered, treble block) if you isolate
the lower octave and push slow you can hear the anomaly, which pitches up
to normal under pressure... their samples are layered in intensity, as
well as the attack portions, so the "nuance" is in there for all time (lol)

i thought they should have spent a few bucks fixing up the old beast
before they modeled it, but it was one they had borrowed, so..........

ciao

Ventura
ike milligan
2015-03-30 03:26:30 UTC
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Post by ike milligan
What do you hear about Basili as a maker?
hey Ike,
i checked my archives, and there is not one single solitary
photo of an accordion under that brand name
in the chronology of principles and major brands, i could find
no reference to Basili at all
it's interesting that you have 2 of 'em, and of such different
quality/manufacturing style - as much like they came from
2 different factories? maybe they were an American brand from
some accordion "school" in the mid-west... lot's of brand names
that came and went mostly un-remarked into history's dust-bin
Bugari has been around for a long time, and maybe they supplied reeds
for other makers way back when so many companies DID have reed-makers
in house. It may also interest you to know, one of the "Classic" toned
accordions Roland used when it did their sampling/modeling for the
FR-7 project was a big old black, tone chambered Bugari (with a bad
lower A flat on the push in the chambered, treble block) if you isolate
the lower octave and push slow you can hear the anomaly, which pitches up
to normal under pressure... their samples are layered in intensity, as
well as the attack portions, so the "nuance" is in there for all time (lol)
i thought they should have spent a few bucks fixing up the old beast
before they modeled it, but it was one they had borrowed, so..........
ciao
Ventura
Uclas?
Basili has for me the earmarks of being an American Italian-sourced
custom job for some professional band player, and might even have been
something of a one-off, maybe having some connection with Uclas, since
both of them came from the same player originally. There was Uclas
propaganda in one of the cases.

Most likely the lesser one with the brass flanged key pivots, was a
spare. since it looks like it was never actually played as much, the
reeds being spotless, whereas the bigger one labeled Basili "Symphony
Grand" had been overhauled once, but fortunately not reed-butchered.

On the lesser one, it would not have taken all that much use for the
brass flanges to wear on the nickel spindles. On both there was
unexplained corrosion on the aluminum slides inside the switch fondo, no
salt being evident in the key valve leather, and no musty odor like damp
storage. Whoever built them did not know enough not to use nickel
spindles on brass. The style of workmanship is pretty, but I don't sense
the finesse I see in for example, Italo-American and the old school of
Castelfidardo transplanted makers.

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