trying again: C-system methods

[Jack Campin - bogus address]

I've asked this before, with zero response.

What methods in English or French on the C-system accordion are
worth having?

I can't find any in English. The only one I can find much information
about on the web is Elsbeth Moser's book (in German, which I don't
read well, and it seems overpriced). In French there are:

- Medard Ferrero
- Michel Lorin
- Gazave (so little info available I'm not sure that it's even
for the C-system)
- Marc Berthoumieux's CD-ROM (a medium which would be okay for me if
the French in it was as text, but I'm
hopeless at understanding it spoken).

Is that it? What sort of music is each of these aimed at?

I would also prefer to learn the older four-finger system, as I
don't like having to look at my hands when I play an instrument,
as the five-finger system seems to require (at least, I've never
seen a five-finger player manage to look up at the audience, it
may make for more notes per second but it's crap as a performance).

Comments, anybody? Is there a music shop somewhere that could
advise me what to get?

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel [phone]
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax [phone]
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob [phone]

[Bill]

Jack,

Take a look at Trevani, long time supplier of books and music in the UK.
Books are on his website at:
http://www.trevani.co.uk/web-cat/tutors-studies.htm. It may also be worth
while giving him a ring to match your requirements with his stock. Phone
number is: 020 8409 1461 (Croydon)

Bill Y

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
I've asked this before, with zero response.
What methods in English or French on the C-system accordion are
worth having?
I can't find any in English. The only one I can find much information
about on the web is Elsbeth Moser's book (in German, which I don't
- Medard Ferrero
- Michel Lorin
- Gazave (so little info available I'm not sure that it's even
for the C-system)
- Marc Berthoumieux's CD-ROM (a medium which would be okay for me if
the French in it was as text, but I'm
hopeless at understanding it spoken).
Is that it? What sort of music is each of these aimed at?
I would also prefer to learn the older four-finger system, as I
don't like having to look at my hands when I play an instrument,
as the five-finger system seems to require (at least, I've never
seen a five-finger player manage to look up at the audience, it
may make for more notes per second but it's crap as a performance).
Comments, anybody? Is there a music shop somewhere that could
advise me what to get?
==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel [phone]
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax [phone]
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob [phone]

[r***@gmail.com]

Moser's book is long overdue for English translation. The fact it
hasn't been
t-d yet speaks volumes about interest (TOTAL lack of thereof) toward
bayans
in USA/England.

There are TONS of books on bayans in Russian, all B-system of course :)


In principle, outside of learning scales, one doesn't need much in the
way
of system-specific literature to advance, not nearly as much as (s)he'd
benefit
from having a good teacher to learn other and I'd say, even more
important,
aspects of performing music.

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
I've asked this before, with zero response.
What methods in English or French on the C-system accordion are
worth having?
I can't find any in English. The only one I can find much information
about on the web is Elsbeth Moser's book (in German, which I don't
- Medard Ferrero
- Michel Lorin
- Gazave (so little info available I'm not sure that it's even
for the C-system)
- Marc Berthoumieux's CD-ROM (a medium which would be okay for me if
the French in it was as text, but I'm
hopeless at understanding it spoken).
Is that it? What sort of music is each of these aimed at?
I would also prefer to learn the older four-finger system, as I
don't like having to look at my hands when I play an instrument,
as the five-finger system seems to require (at least, I've never
seen a five-finger player manage to look up at the audience, it
may make for more notes per second but it's crap as a performance).
Comments, anybody? Is there a music shop somewhere that could
advise me what to get?
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel [phone]
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax [phone]
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob [phone]

[w.d.]

There are TONS of books on bayans in Russian, all B-system wof course :)

Hi Rashid,

I have very good book for B-system but for five fingering progression.
Could you point for me where I can get some nice book for 3 row bayan
for only four finger progression.

Thanks,
W.D.

[r***@gmail.com]

http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.zip
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zip

Post by w.d.

There are TONS of books on bayans in Russian, all B-system wof course :)

Hi Rashid,
I have very good book for B-system but for five fingering progression.
Could you point for me where I can get some nice book for 3 row bayan
for only four finger progression.
Thanks,
W.D.

[w.d.]

Post by r***@gmail.com
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.zip
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zip

Post by w.d.

There are TONS of books on bayans in Russian, all B-system wof course :)

Hi Rashid,
I have very good book for B-system but for five fingering progression.
Could you point for me where I can get some nice book for 3 row bayan
for only four finger progression.
Thanks,
W.D.>>>>

Thank Rashid,

I got one long folder with plenty of songs where only four fingers
suppose to be used.

The first one "bayan1" file was corrupted. I tried two times and
it didn't work at all, but in the second one "bayan2" is plenty enough
melodies for me.

Thanks a lot,
W.D.

[w.d.]

Post by w.d.

Post by r***@gmail.com
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan1.zip
http://accordion.newmail.ru/man/bayan2.zip

Post by w.d.

There are TONS of books on bayans in Russian, all B-system wof course :)

Hi Rashid,
I have very good book for B-system but for five fingering progression.
Could you point for me where I can get some nice book for 3 row bayan
for only four finger progression.
Thanks,
W.D.>>>>

Thank Rashid,
I got one long folder with plenty of songs where only four fingers
suppose to be used.
The first one "bayan1" file was corrupted. I tried two times and
it didn't work at all, but in the second one "bayan2" is plenty enough
melodies for me.
Thanks a lot,
W.D....

Tried to load it again for the fourth time, and I got all now -
everything. It was very nice of you to give this link. Now, I have to
find the time to practice and no excuse from now on.

I appreciate your help,
W.D.

[j***@ntlworld.com]

The Anzhagi Method is in English. It's pretty old - from the 1930's,
but still very thorough. It has full fingering for C System CBAs. I
think Trevani either have it or can easily get it.
Mike O'R

[Ike Milligan]

Post by j***@ntlworld.com
The Anzhagi Method is in English. It's pretty old - from the 1930's,
but still very thorough. It has full fingering for C System CBAs. I
think Trevani either have it or can easily get it.
Mike O'R

There is an Anzhagi method? I only know his etudes?

[Bill]

Post by Ike Milligan

Post by j***@ntlworld.com
The Anzhagi Method is in English. It's pretty old - from the 1930's,
but still very thorough. It has full fingering for C System CBAs. I
think Trevani either have it or can easily get it.
Mike O'R

There is an Anzhagi method? I only know his etudes?

There is a description of it here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Anzaghi-Complete-Accordion-Method-Music-Book-NEW_W0QQitemZ7412744935QQcategoryZ16218QQcmdZViewItem
from Hamcor (an excellent book supplier); and
here: http://www.trevani.co.uk/web-cat/tutors-studies.htm

Bill Y

[Russ Gray]

I have the Anzaghi "Metodo Completo para Acordion" It is complete but
it uses the 5 finger system. It is in spanish but you can figure this
out, unlike the Moser. I don't recomment the Moser if you are looking
for a book to learn technique scales fingering etc from - it is
interesting to me only to look at her diagrams, but without knowing
german it was not worth that much to me.

The method I used the most is the "Metodo per Fisarmonica, sistema
pianoforte e cromatico, vol I." Vol I is in English Italian and
Spanish - It is comparable with the Anzaghi method above. It is
printed/published by BERBEN, Ancona Italy. I think it is still in
print, It was given to me as a gift from a friend in Italy - Again
this uses the thumb extensively. The scale patterns/fingerings are the
same as the Anzaghi.

What I would like is to find some song books with fingerings.
The scales are easy to learn once they give you the patterns, but every
time I try to learn a new song the fingerings screw me up because there
are so many different possibilities and as I go through them so many of
them seem clumsy. Spend a lot of wasted time trying to figure out the
best fingering.

regards
russ

[Len Killick]

If the Michel Lorin book you refer to is L'Accordeon Boutons Par l'mage
it's one we have sold quite a few of and most of the customers seem to
get on with it alright. It's a bit old fashioned but it has all the
essential information and works it's way steadily through the early
levels (it gets far too difficult for me before it's halfway through,
but that doesn't say much).

We have stocked all of the Par l'image books for many years and despite
being in French (which is just about as useful here in Germany as it is
in Britian) they still seem to be popular.

Len

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
I've asked this before, with zero response.
What methods in English or French on the C-system accordion are
worth having?
I can't find any in English. The only one I can find much information
about on the web is Elsbeth Moser's book (in German, which I don't
- Medard Ferrero
- Michel Lorin
- Gazave (so little info available I'm not sure that it's even
for the C-system)
- Marc Berthoumieux's CD-ROM (a medium which would be okay for me if
the French in it was as text, but I'm
hopeless at understanding it spoken).
Is that it? What sort of music is each of these aimed at?
I would also prefer to learn the older four-finger system, as I
don't like having to look at my hands when I play an instrument,
as the five-finger system seems to require (at least, I've never
seen a five-finger player manage to look up at the audience, it
may make for more notes per second but it's crap as a performance).
Comments, anybody? Is there a music shop somewhere that could
advise me what to get?
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel [phone]
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax [phone]
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob [phone]

[j***@sbcglobal.net]

Hi Jack,

Like Russ I also have the Anzaghi book, but use primarely the Berben
book. Both are for C-systems.

Berben is actually the publisher here's their link
(http://www.berben.it/doc/htm/eng/default.asp). The complete title is:
Metodo Berben for Piano and Chromatic Accordion by Cambieri, Fugazza &
Melocchi. My teacher uses this book for all his students. In my opinion
it is a very good book and has fingering for all the exercises for both
the piano and chromatic. You'll find 90% of the fingering is the same.
Highly recommended.

I have the English translation of L.O. Anzaghi Complete Method
Theoretical-practical progressive for Accordion Pianoforte and
chromatic system" I bought by mail from Allodi in London
(http://www.accordions.co.uk/Index.htm) even though I'm in Texas. I'm
not using this book at all because of lack of time.

Best regards,

Joe

[j.d.]

I have a copy of this book in English and it seems to be quite good and
is written for C & B systems. It includes music that looks more
advanced than many beginners books.

HOHNER COMPLETE TUTOR FOR THE LARGE TYPE CHROMATIC BUTTON-KEY ACCORDION
BY CURT HEROLD

I could copy it to the net if you like.
jd

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address
I've asked this before, with zero response.
What methods in English or French on the C-system accordion are
worth having?
I can't find any in English. The only one I can find much information
about on the web is Elsbeth Moser's book (in German, which I don't
- Medard Ferrero
- Michel Lorin
- Gazave (so little info available I'm not sure that it's even
for the C-system)
- Marc Berthoumieux's CD-ROM (a medium which would be okay for me if
the French in it was as text, but I'm
hopeless at understanding it spoken).
Is that it? What sort of music is each of these aimed at?
I would also prefer to learn the older four-finger system, as I
don't like having to look at my hands when I play an instrument,
as the five-finger system seems to require (at least, I've never
seen a five-finger player manage to look up at the audience, it
may make for more notes per second but it's crap as a performance).
Comments, anybody? Is there a music shop somewhere that could
advise me what to get?
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel [phone]
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax [phone]
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob [phone]

[Russ Gray]

Hi JD,
I would really appriciate it if you could copy this book. I would be
really interested in seeing it.
thanks
russ

Post by j.d.
I have a copy of this book in English and it seems to be quite good and
is written for C & B systems. It includes music that looks more
advanced than many beginners books.
HOHNER COMPLETE TUTOR FOR THE LARGE TYPE CHROMATIC BUTTON-KEY ACCORDION
BY CURT HEROLD
I could copy it to the net if you like.
jd

[j.d.]

I'll do it in the next day or two,
jd

Post by Russ Gray
Hi JD,
I would really appriciate it if you could copy this book. I would be
really interested in seeing it.
thanks
russ

Post by j.d.
I have a copy of this book in English and it seems to be quite good and
is written for C & B systems. It includes music that looks more
advanced than many beginners books.
HOHNER COMPLETE TUTOR FOR THE LARGE TYPE CHROMATIC BUTTON-KEY ACCORDION
BY CURT HEROLD
I could copy it to the net if you like.
jd

[alan young]

Post by j.d.
I'll do it in the next day or two,
jd

Post by Russ Gray
Hi JD,
I would really appriciate it if you could copy this book. I would be
really interested in seeing it.
thanks
russ

Post by j.d.
I have a copy of this book in English and it seems to be quite good and
is written for C & B systems. It includes music that looks more
advanced than many beginners books.
HOHNER COMPLETE TUTOR FOR THE LARGE TYPE CHROMATIC BUTTON-KEY ACCORDION
BY CURT HEROLD
I could copy it to the net if you like.
jd