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Cajun accordion layout, please help.
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G***@gmail.com
2008-08-20 19:02:06 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ? An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
buttons are chromatic? Can someone please help me? I am thinking of
buying a 10 button accordion because I am about to do some traveling
an its says it only weighs 5 lbs for most boxes,,,,,,
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Don in E Texas
2008-08-24 18:27:50 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ?
Cajun accordions are Diatonic, not chromatic. First button is "e" when
bellows going in - "g" when going out.

3rd button is a clue as to what tuning the accordion is. Key of "C" when
bellows pushed IN produces a "C" note - "D" when bellows go out.

"C" is the most common Cajun tuning.

An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
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buttons are chromatic?
No. One button is the bass note; the other is a chord. On a "C" tuned
accordion, pushing "in" on the bellows produces a "C" bass/chord --- pulling
out on the bellows produces a "G" bass/chord.




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G***@gmail.com
2008-08-27 02:46:53 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ?
Cajun accordions are Diatonic, not chromatic.  First button is "e" when
bellows going in - "g" when going out.
3rd button is a clue as to what tuning the accordion is.  Key of "C" when
bellows pushed IN produces a "C" note - "D" when bellows go out.
"C" is the most common Cajun tuning.
 An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
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buttons are chromatic?
No.  One button is the bass note; the other is a chord.  On a "C" tuned
accordion, pushing "in" on the bellows produces a "C" bass/chord --- pulling
out on the bellows produces a "G" bass/chord.
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I want to go ahead and buy one, C tunned the Hohner ha114 with the
grill.
One more question, on the tremble when a G chord or A chord needs to
be played, should I just play the single note, or choose a different
chord? Please you opinion is welcomed....
Winslow Yerxa
2008-08-28 17:10:24 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ?
Cajun accordions are Diatonic, not chromatic. First button is "e" when
bellows going in - "g" when going out.
3rd button is a clue as to what tuning the accordion is. Key of "C" when
bellows pushed IN produces a "C" note - "D" when bellows go out.
"C" is the most common Cajun tuning.
An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
Post by G***@gmail.com
buttons are chromatic?
No. One button is the bass note; the other is a chord. On a "C" tuned
accordion, pushing "in" on the bellows produces a "C" bass/chord --- pulling
out on the bellows produces a "G" bass/chord.
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I want to go ahead and buy one, C tunned the Hohner ha114 with the
grill.
One more question, on the tremble when a G chord or A chord needs to
be played, should I just play the single note, or choose a different
chord? Please you opinion is welcomed....
Here's where you run out of good options on a 2-bass instrument like
the HA-114. You only have 2 chords, C and G (on a C instrument). If an
A chord comes up, you have no way to play that chord. Listen closely
to historical players and you can hear them treating the chords like
the home chord (C) and the "other" chord. Trouble is, the "other"
chord (G) is not a good substitute for an F chord, an A minor chord,
and so on. This makes some of that old-style playing sound primitive,
weird, or just plain wrong. Modern diatonic players are more sensitive
to this situation and in some cases just ignore the basses and rely on
accompanying guitar, bass, or keyboards to supply the chordal backing.

Some diatonics have 4, 8, or even 12 bass and chord buttons, but they
tend to be the instruments that have two or three rows of buttons in
the right hand, with each row in a different key, like B/C (used by
Irish players to play in nearly any key), or G-C-F, A-D-G, F-Bb-Eb,
etc (used by Tex-Mex musicians and some French Canadians). What you
often give up on these instruments is register choices. These
instrument already have a large number of reeds to accommodate two or
more keys, and they make up for it by having only two reeds per note -
and you may not be able to switch out the second reed to vary the
sound. By contrast, the HA-114 has four reeds for each note (high, 2
middle, low) and allows you to switch them on and off in any
combination using the knobs on top of the right hand cabinet.
G***@gmail.com
2008-08-29 17:59:45 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ?
Cajun accordions are Diatonic, not chromatic.  First button is "e" when
bellows going in - "g" when going out.
3rd button is a clue as to what tuning the accordion is.  Key of "C" when
bellows pushed IN produces a "C" note - "D" when bellows go out.
"C" is the most common Cajun tuning.
 An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
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buttons are chromatic?
No.  One button is the bass note; the other is a chord.  On a "C" tuned
accordion, pushing "in" on the bellows produces a "C" bass/chord --- pulling
out on the bellows produces a "G" bass/chord.
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I want to go ahead and buy one, C tunned the Hohner ha114 with the
grill.
One more question, on the tremble when a G chord or A chord needs to
be played, should I just play the single note, or choose a different
chord? Please you opinion is welcomed....
Here's where you run out of good options on a 2-bass instrument like
the HA-114. You only have 2 chords, C and G (on a C instrument). If an
A chord comes up, you have no way to play that chord. Listen closely
to historical players and you can hear them treating the chords like
the home chord (C) and the "other" chord. Trouble is, the "other"
chord (G) is not a good substitute for an F chord, an A minor chord,
and so on. This makes some of that old-style playing sound primitive,
weird, or just plain wrong. Modern diatonic players are more sensitive
to this situation and in some cases just ignore the basses and rely on
accompanying guitar, bass, or keyboards to supply the chordal backing.
Some diatonics have 4, 8, or even 12 bass and chord buttons, but they
tend to be the instruments that have two or three rows of buttons in
the right hand, with each row in a different key, like B/C (used by
Irish players to play in nearly any key), or G-C-F, A-D-G, F-Bb-Eb,
etc (used by Tex-Mex musicians and some French Canadians). What you
often give up on these instruments is register choices. These
instrument already have a large number of reeds to accommodate two or
more keys, and they make up for it by having only two reeds per note -
and you may not be able to switch out the second reed to vary the
sound. By contrast, the HA-114 has four reeds for each note (high, 2
middle, low) and allows you to switch them on and off in any
combination using the knobs on top of the right hand cabinet.- Hide quoted text -
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Thankyou Winslow, I am going to exchange the chords with single notes,
I am using the box for simple music mostly, single noted, but there
are a few chords in A/G . Thanks again.
David Kastrup
2008-09-02 09:38:08 UTC
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I want to go ahead and buy one, C tunned the Hohner ha114 with the
grill. One more question, on the tremble when a G chord or A chord
needs to be played, should I just play the single note, or choose a
different chord? Please you opinion is welcomed....
Here's where you run out of good options on a 2-bass instrument like
the HA-114. You only have 2 chords, C and G (on a C instrument). If
an A chord comes up, you have no way to play that chord.
Am7 is just C with an A in the bass. Now you don't have A on push, so
you probably have to fake it in at off-beat time.
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Post by Winslow Yerxa
Listen closely to historical players and you can hear them treating
the chords like the home chord (C) and the "other" chord. Trouble is,
the "other" chord (G) is not a good substitute for an F chord, an A
minor chord, and so on. This makes some of that old-style playing
sound primitive, weird, or just plain wrong. Modern diatonic players
are more sensitive to this situation and in some cases just ignore
the basses and rely on accompanying guitar, bass, or keyboards to
supply the chordal backing.
For a diatonic instrument, the pieces need to be arranged or composed or
carefully picked. In particular if you intend playing bass as well.
The rachitic bass of a small diatonic is not really fit for most things
and often gets not played at all in ensemble situations. Players tend
to even remove the reed blocks in order to have a lighter instrument.
Some pros use a semichromatic instead with a small Stradella bass
section on the left side.
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Post by Winslow Yerxa
Some diatonics have 4, 8, or even 12 bass and chord buttons, but they
tend to be the instruments that have two or three rows of buttons in
the right hand, with each row in a different key, like B/C (used by
Irish players to play in nearly any key), or G-C-F, A-D-G, F-Bb-Eb,
etc (used by Tex-Mex musicians and some French Canadians). What you
often give up on these instruments is register choices. These
instrument already have a large number of reeds to accommodate two or
more keys, and they make up for it by having only two reeds per note
- and you may not be able to switch out the second reed to vary the
sound. By contrast, the HA-114 has four reeds for each note (high, 2
middle, low) and allows you to switch them on and off in any
combination using the knobs on top of the right hand cabinet.
Well, I have a Morino club, which has 5 reeds in both the 12-key bass as
well as the 33 key diatonic section and a sound to die for.

It also weighs in at about 16lbs, sort of defeating the "lightweight
diatonic" idea. You can pretty much arrange everything for this beast,
but the typical fast push/pull flutter typical for cajun is mostly
unnecessary (because you get pretty much all notes on draw, and most on
push) and would probably also be more of a workout than fun.
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Thankyou Winslow, I am going to exchange the chords with single notes,
I am using the box for simple music mostly, single noted, but there
are a few chords in A/G . Thanks again.
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David Kastrup
e***@gmail.com
2019-09-01 04:50:30 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ? An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
buttons are chromatic? Can someone please help me? I am thinking of
buying a 10 button accordion because I am about to do some traveling
an its says it only weighs 5 lbs for most boxes,,,,,,
http://squeezehead.com/keyboard-layouts/diatonic-accordions/1row_c.gif
You might like this instructional video. Newly in download format! http://www.evobluestein.com/store/#!/Beginning-Cajun-&-Zydeco-Accordion-Video-Downloads-under-construction/p/148179606/category=0
Ike Milligan
2019-09-06 03:38:56 UTC
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I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ? An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
buttons are chromatic? Can someone please help me? I am thinking of
buying a 10 button accordion because I am about to do some traveling
an its says it only weighs 5 lbs for most boxes,,,,,,
http://squeezehead.com/keyboard-layouts/diatonic-accordions/1row_c.gif
You might like this instructional video. Newly in download format! http://www.evobluestein.com/store/#!/Beginning-Cajun-&-Zydeco-Accordion-Video-Downloads-under-construction/p/148179606/category=0
Some accordions would have e/f and some others would have e/g.

e***@gmail.com
2019-09-01 19:46:36 UTC
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Post by G***@gmail.com
I was looking at this layout here, an wondering, why is the first
button written E/G or E/F ? An I was also wondering if the 2 bass
buttons are chromatic? Can someone please help me? I am thinking of
buying a 10 button accordion because I am about to do some traveling
an its says it only weighs 5 lbs for most boxes,,,,,,
http://squeezehead.com/keyboard-layouts/diatonic-accordions/1row_c.gif
sample instructional video here:

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