Midi on the fly........................

[l***@gmail.com]

I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.

Edon

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I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.
Edon

I must say I have unlocked some doors with this midi stuff. I don't know if it is a curse or a blessing. Anyway my hat goes off to those accomplished players who are well versed in Midi stuff. Installed the Bonotron Midi took time, but (in my opinion) I did a good install and it works. The instruction on operating the Bono are poor to say the least. The Korg midi arrangers instruction are to good. I have to read it 3 or 4 times to get a picture in my head. Hopefully after I manage to be successful at it I will be telling myself, how could I not have figured this out. OK for now. More good reports to follow.
Edon

[ciao_accordion]

Installed the Bonotron Midi .....and it works.

great! congrats on making it through

if you wanna continue on Walters path, i would give
his unfinished arduino MIDI project and all the parts
and spare boards and software he wrote to run it
and the accordion too of course, to you

the bass is unfinished, the treble works

he had to retire completely from the accordion projects,
and i have been trying to pass out all his leftover
stuff for a few years now.. get everything into good hands

my last midi project was to re-create a cordovox using
modern midi devices, and i toured with it for Roland
for awhile as a prod spec guy for their V-accordions.
It was really the only thing i kept from that gig.

basic, raw, powerful, elemental... only thing is i
don't have the ooooomph to properly rock it out
in a band like i did in my tube-cordovox days... lol

ciao

Ventura

[l***@gmail.com]

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Installed the Bonotron Midi .....and it works.

great! congrats on making it through
if you wanna continue on Walters path, i would give
his unfinished arduino MIDI project and all the parts
and spare boards and software he wrote to run it
and the accordion too of course, to you
the bass is unfinished, the treble works
he had to retire completely from the accordion projects,
and i have been trying to pass out all his leftover
stuff for a few years now.. get everything into good hands
my last midi project was to re-create a cordovox using
modern midi devices, and i toured with it for Roland
for awhile as a prod spec guy for their V-accordions.
It was really the only thing i kept from that gig.
basic, raw, powerful, elemental... only thing is i
don't have the ooooomph to properly rock it out
in a band like i did in my tube-cordovox days... lol
ciao
Ventura

Great to see you still got your fingers on the keys. The midi kit I installed went into an accordion that had previous electronic sound generator in it. It was a jump start and helped make the install easier. I just looked at Arduino Midi stuff. Was not aware that this was available. My install used the old spring contacts. Bonotron was purchased from Charles Nunzio. I am glad I have enough knowledge to keep it going. If I had to take it to a tech I would be broke.
I would take the challenge to complete it. If half is working already that is another jump start. The mechanical part is pretty straight forward. It's the software that can cripple me.
So glad you are still an active authority on accordion issues. I had looked in my boxes of sheet music and found some very valuable information which I downloaded regarding proper microphone usage in accordion. All of which was written by you.
Thanks for your input regarding accordion issues. I always found them very informative.

Enough for now,

Edon

[l***@gmail.com]

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Post by ciao_accordion

Installed the Bonotron Midi .....and it works.

great! congrats on making it through
if you wanna continue on Walters path, i would give
his unfinished arduino MIDI project and all the parts
and spare boards and software he wrote to run it
and the accordion too of course, to you
the bass is unfinished, the treble works
he had to retire completely from the accordion projects,
and i have been trying to pass out all his leftover
stuff for a few years now.. get everything into good hands
my last midi project was to re-create a cordovox using
modern midi devices, and i toured with it for Roland
for awhile as a prod spec guy for their V-accordions.
It was really the only thing i kept from that gig.
basic, raw, powerful, elemental... only thing is i
don't have the ooooomph to properly rock it out
in a band like i did in my tube-cordovox days... lol
ciao
Ventura

Great to see you still got your fingers on the keys. The midi kit I installed went into an accordion that had previous electronic sound generator in it. It was a jump start and helped make the install easier. I just looked at Arduino Midi stuff. Was not aware that this was available. My install used the old spring contacts. Bonotron was purchased from Charles Nunzio. I am glad I have enough knowledge to keep it going. If I had to take it to a tech I would be broke.
I would take the challenge to complete it. If half is working already that is another jump start. The mechanical part is pretty straight forward. It's the software that can cripple me.
So glad you are still an active authority on accordion issues. I had looked in my boxes of sheet music and found some very valuable information which I downloaded regarding proper microphone usage in accordion. All of which was written by you.
Thanks for your input regarding accordion issues. I always found them very informative.
Enough for now,
Edon

Can you guess the time for a trip to your studio from the Allentown P.A. area?

[bob]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.
Edon

Hi Edon,
I'm presently wiring a midi into an Iorio cordovox (my second one) .Also, I'm wiring an old German electrified accordion (A Sanovox I think). I "gutted" the whole instrument (it had NO reeds).
I'm not proficient at this, but if there's anything I can add to help, please email me.

[Edon]

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Post by l***@gmail.com
I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.
Edon

Hi Edon,
I'm presently wiring a midi into an Iorio cordovox (my second one) .Also, I'm wiring an old German electrified accordion (A Sanovox I think). I "gutted" the whole instrument (it had NO reeds).
I'm not proficient at this, but if there's anything I can add to help, please email me.

Hello Bob,
Great you have been successful in doing a midi convert. I bet the weight drop is quite a asset on your back. My accordion (CRUCHINELLI) is very heavy to start out with. But worked with what I had. Can you tell me what electronics for the midi portion you have used? Again I used the Bonotron ( which I believe the only one in the U.S.) It works but I feel there some hidden things that I am missing. I will find solution by accident or on purpose.
Is your problem in proficiency a mechanical, wiring or a software hangup? Interested in your bumps in the road.

Edon

[bob]

Hi Edon,
I'm interested in the "Highly Liquid CPU". I've used a different unit in the past, but that company is now out of business. Highly Liquid seems the way to go for me.It's made here in the states.
You may have as many problems with the control unit that you want to use. They can do so many things, that they can be quite a challenge to operate.
The midi unit one I'm deciding on will use a diode matrix to connect the keys to the unit. There is also an "EZ MIDI" that seems a breeze to wire, from the same company. It even remembers (learns) which note you pressed to program itself. For that unit, there are no diodes to contend with.
I have no connection with the company.
If, or as, I get more information, I'll be glad to share it with you.
Bob V

Post by l***@gmail.com
I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.
Edon

[l***@picknowl.com.au]

Post by bob
Hi Edon,
I'm interested in the "Highly Liquid CPU". I've used a different unit in the past, but that company is now out of business. Highly Liquid seems the way to go for me.It's made here in the states.
You may have as many problems with the control unit that you want to use. They can do so many things, that they can be quite a challenge to operate.
The midi unit one I'm deciding on will use a diode matrix to connect the keys to the unit. There is also an "EZ MIDI" that seems a breeze to wire, from the same company. It even remembers (learns) which note you pressed to program itself. For that unit, there are no diodes to contend with.
I have no connection with the company.
If, or as, I get more information, I'll be glad to share it with you.
Bob V

Post by l***@gmail.com
I wish I had more to offer in all that is involved in accordion know how. I hate nothing more then commenting on something that I feel my input is not sufficient to direct someone in absolute correct direction. That being said I always took the back seat and observed and did not offer my 2 cents in advice.
Well I now have been exploring more intently the wonderful world of MIDI. It is said that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Yes, my Midi does work and yes I have a "fair" understanding of what is going. Its the terminology ( I love spell checker) that can get me all balled up.
I am curious if others have this same problem in trying to get the maximum amount of usage out of what Midi it is designed for. I am a hardware guy. Software was never my specialty. Needless to say I feel like a canoe with out any paddles. Just some simple input regarding your experiences on your part would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy playing.
Edon

Hi Edon,
I happened to stumble onto this thread and was interested in the MIDI installation because I had the same problems several years back. In the end I decided to design my own MIDI interface and not use a diode matrix. Everything has been kept as simple and robust as possible. I have converted several accordions that had springs already installed. Springs are the easiest to maintain and don't consume power when not closed. Great for wireless MIDI. The PCB's are small enough to fit in multiple places. The PCB's can be reduced in size further but I have not had the need to.
Lino

[ciao_accordion]

hey you guys

if Lino is in the mood to build a few of his MIDI's
and you can talk him into selling you one or a few
grab 'em because they work well, are simple n easy
to handle, and inexpensive.

since he can let you select which controller to
set for the pedal (volume or expression) i think
could concievably be processed by a bellows sensor
or keyboard sensor if you wanted to tryn get fancy,
but for basic MIDI function with a Hammond type module
plain is fine

Edon you have a good 4 hour run through Philly and
down the turnpike then 95 through/around Baltimore
and on down toward DC (which i'm on the topside)
but i won't have time till january cause of gigs

Lino, glad you're still kickin' down under and
you have a great Christmas !

ciao

Ventura