Discussion:
Some Interesting Accordion History
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Gerd Mayer
2005-04-03 17:55:05 UTC
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Hi,
The Accordion was invented in 1822 by Friedrich Buschman, in Berlin. The first modern button accordion was a 10 button invented 1829 by Cyrillus Damian , in Vienna. January 14, 1854, Anthony Faas patented an accordion. Later came Hohner and Soprani around 1863, for Paolo Soprani.........! etc...
Surely there was an accordionist on the vessel.
Gerd

Ann McChesney-Young <***@pacbell.net> wrote:
My husband posted this on the IRTRAD list, and I thought it might be
of interest to some here.
"The Economist" had a book review recently that involved the
exploration of the Great Barrier Reef off Australia. In addition
to the usual navigating crew and science specialists, the vessel
assigned to the task also shipped a piano player, a fiddler, and an
accordion player.
The date of all this was 1836, which led me to wonder about the
accordion player, as for some reason I thought that particular
instrument was a later development. Any comments?
First off, thank you for the lead on the book! It sounds like
something my father would enjoy for his birthday in a couple of
months.

For those interested, that review of _The Rattlesnake: A Voyage of
Discovery to the Coral Sea_ by Jordan Goodman is on-line at:

http://www.economist.com/books/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3764291

To the point of your query, 1836 is certainly early, but
post-invention. See e.g.:

http://www.accordions.com/index/his/his_acc_his.shtml

Cyrillus Damian, a Viennese instrument maker, has often been credited
with the creation of the first true accordion. He was, in fact, the
first to patent an instrument of that name, having received royal
patronage for his invention in 1829. Damian's design featured two to
four bass keys that produced chords within a range of an octave. But
the first true accordion made its appearance in 1822, when a German
instrument maker named Christian Friedrich Buschmann (1775-1832) put
some expanding bellows onto a small portable keyboard, with free
vibrating reeds inside the instrument itself. He dubbed it the
hand-aeoline, and helped spread its fame in 1828 by leaving Berlin
and touring with it.

There were actually many varieties of the free-vibrating reed
instrument developed during the early 1800s. Some of them are still
quite well known today. Sir Charles Wheatstone (1802-1875) was
awarded the British Patent No. 5803 for his concertina in 1829...

(end quote)

Grove Music Online (essentially the electronic version of the _New
Grove_ with a few other Grove publications) also has a useful section
on the instrument's early history:

Although the principle of the Free reed has been known since
pre-historic times, and in China has been applied to the Sheng since
the second millennium bce, it was not until the late 18th century
that Europeans were experimenting intensively with the principle for
use on organs. The first true reed organs were invented at the
beginning of the next century ... In 1821 Christian Friedrich Ludwig
Buschmann (1805-64) made his mouthblown 'Aura', effectively the first
harmonica, designed primarily as a tuning tool. The 15 reeds were cut
from a single piece of metal and fastened onto a piece of wood with
chambers and blowholes for use by the mouth. The following year he
applied leather bellows, and closure pallets with a rudimentary
keying device over the individual reed-chambers, and patented the
instrument as the 'Handaeoline'. This instrument was developed
further by the Austrian Cyril Demian (1772-1847) whose patent of 1829
under the name of 'Accordion' added accompanying chords. In the
'complete accordion', built by Demian and his sons Guido and Karl in
1834, a second treble row of chromatic 'helper' notes was added, and
the left-hand section included a chromatic row. By 1830 Demian-type
instruments were being copied in Belgium by Charles Buffet and in
Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ... These diatonic
instruments were made in various keys with brass reed work, having
ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons and casework made in
rosewood with inlays of ivory and mother-of-pearl. Another Austrian,
Matthaeus Bauer, is credited with the invention in 1838 of a reed
block with individual reed-chambers, open at one end but closed off
by pallets at the key-rod end...

(end quote)

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Steffan O'Sullivan
2005-04-03 18:47:39 UTC
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Post by Gerd Mayer
The Accordion was invented in 1822 by Friedrich Buschman, in Berlin.
Only true for a very loose definition of accordion. Buschman
actually invented the concertina in 1822. (One year after he
invented the harmonica, BTW.)
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johann pascher
2005-04-03 19:40:05 UTC
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Hi, Gerd Mayer!

I agree with your comment, the truth my be a bit more complex.

Buschman did not build a instrument, his “tuning tool” was built with
reeds and keys sounding in one direction.
And if we are correct we really count credit a single person with the
Invention of the Accordion.

The best source about history in relation with free reeds in my opinion
is presented in English language is on:

http://www.patmissin.com/history/western.html

Part Mission gives a lot of information on is Site.

Is all more related to mouth blown Instruments but Accordions and mouth
blown instrument have a lot in common.

And then we had some posts in the past, on this subject too.

Best regards, Johann
Post by Gerd Mayer
Hi,
The Accordion was invented in 1822 by Friedrich Buschman, in Berlin. The
first modern button accordion was a 10 button invented 1829 by Cyrillus
Damian , in Vienna. January 14, 1854, Anthony Faas patented an
accordion. Later came Hohner and Soprani around 1863, for Paolo
Soprani.........! etc...
Surely there was an accordionist on the vessel.
Gerd
My husband posted this on the IRTRAD list, and I thought it might be
of interest to some here.
"The Economist" had a book review recently that involved the
exploration of the Great Barrier Reef off Australia. In addition
to the usual navigating crew and science specialists, the vessel
assigned to the task also shipped a piano player, a fiddler, and an
accordion player.
The date of all this was 1836, which led me to wonder about the
accordion player, as for some reason I thought that particular
instrument was a later development. Any comments?
First off, thank you for the lead on the book! It sounds like
something my father would enjoy for his birthday in a couple of
months.
For those interested, that review of _The Rattlesnake: A Voyage of
http://www.economist.com/books/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3764291
To the point of your query, 1836 is certainly early, but
http://www.accordions.com/index/his/his_acc_his.shtml
Cyrillus Damian, a Viennese instrument maker, has often been credited
with the creation of the first true accordion. He was, in fact, the
first to patent an instrument of that name, having received royal
patronage for his invention in 1829. Damian's design featured two to
four bass keys that produced chords within a range of an octave. But
the first true accordion made its appearance in 1822, when a German
instrument maker named Christian Friedrich Buschmann (1775-1832) put
some expanding bellows onto a small portable keyboard, with free
vibrating reeds inside the instrument itself. He dubbed it the
hand-aeoline, and helped spread its fame in 1828 by leaving Berlin
and touring with it.
There were actually many varieties of the free-vibrating reed
instrument developed during the early 1800s. Some of them are still
quite well known today. Sir Charles Wheatstone (1802-1875) was
awarded the British Patent No. 5803 for his concertina in 1829...
(end quote)
Grove Music Online (essentially the electronic version of the _New
Grove_ with a few other Grove publications) also has a useful section
Although the principle of the Free reed has been known since
pre-historic times, and in China has been applied to the Sheng since
the second millennium bce, it was not until the late 18th century
that Europeans were experimenting intensively with the principle for
use on organs. The first true reed organs were invented at the
beginning of the next century ... In 1821 Christian Friedrich Ludwig
Buschmann (1805-64) made his mouthblown 'Aura', effectively the first
harmonica, designed primarily as a tuning tool. The 15 reeds were cut
from a single piece of metal and fastened onto a piece of wood with
chambers and blowholes for use by the mouth. The following year he
applied leather bellows, and closure pallets with a rudimentary
keying device over the individual reed-chambers, and patented the
instrument as the 'Handaeoline'. This instrument was developed
further by the Austrian Cyril Demian (1772-1847) whose patent of 1829
under the name of 'Accordion' added accompanying chords. In the
'complete accordion', built by Demian and his sons Guido and Karl in
1834, a second treble row of chromatic 'helper' notes was added, and
the left-hand section included a chromatic row. By 1830 Demian-type
instruments were being copied in Belgium by Charles Buffet and in
Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ... These diatonic
instruments were made in various keys with brass reed work, having
ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons and casework made in
rosewood with inlays of ivory and mother-of-pearl. Another Austrian,
Matthaeus Bauer, is credited with the invention in 1838 of a reed
block with individual reed-chambers, open at one end but closed off
by pallets at the key-rod end...
(end quote)
John, hoping the accordionist's name wasn't Jonah
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johann pascher
2005-04-12 10:10:05 UTC
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Hi, All interested in Accordion History!

I did on other look at the site of Henry Doktorski Page:
Some look updated, interesting to reed, but to me it seems it brings up
a very strongliy national influenced few point. All info abut accordion
history seems to be taken from A. Mireks Book.
It would be worth to prove some statements.
On thing did catch my attention again,
it is metioned:

“Monichon, Biannattasio and Bugiolacchi claimed that the first chromatic
three-row button-accordion was constructed in 1870 by the Russian
musician, N.I. Beloborodov, in Tula. However, Mirek -- who is Russian
himself -- claimed that the first chromatic three-row button-accordion
was built in 1891 by G. Mirwald in the city of Zelitue, Bavaria.”

Loading Image...

Illustration 16. Mirwald's three-row button-accordion.
The picture looks like an Schrammelharmonika as produced at that time in
Vienna and my be on some other places.
I cant find any information an the City of Zelitue Bavariy or on the
Accordeonbulder G. Mirrwald.
If someone knows more or is able to contact Mr. A. Mireck pleas let me know.

http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/history/classic2.html

Interesting info but not very repayable:
http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/history/birth.html

Pictures of Museum A. Mirek:
http://www.lib.msu.ru/journal/Accordion/main.htm

Demians Padent:
http://www.accordion-online.de/instrum/demian.htm
English translation:
http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/history/demian.html

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Richard Morse
2005-04-03 21:06:13 UTC
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Post by Gerd Mayer
Hi,
The Accordion was invented in 1822 by Friedrich Buschman,
in Berlin. The first modern button accordion was a 10
button invented 1829 by Cyrillus Damian
I suggest that you check your definition and sources. Most people
consider an *accordion* to be a portable bellows-driven instrument which
can sound *chords* - several tones when single key (button, lever,
stud...) is actuated. I believe that Buschmann's hand-aeoline
instruments were all single-noted.

Cyrill Damian's accordion patent of 1829 shows an instrument with only 5
keys (not 10). Each key sounded a *chord*. There WERE NO SINGLE NOTES ON
THIS INSTRUMENT. I certainly wouldn't call that a "modern" accordion.
Post by Gerd Mayer
Grove Music Online (essentially the electronic version of the _New
Grove_ with a few other Grove publications) also has a useful section
"Useful" doesn't necessarily mean "accurate".
Post by Gerd Mayer
... This instrument [Handaeoline] was developed
further by the Austrian Cyril Demian (1772-1847) whose patent of 1829
under the name of 'Accordion' added accompanying chords.
There doesn't appear to be any "furtherness" about CD's instrument in
that it didn't "retain" any treble notes.
Post by Gerd Mayer
'complete accordion', built by Demian and his sons Guido and Karl in
1834, a second treble row of chromatic 'helper' notes was added, and
the left-hand section included a chromatic row.
Depends upon what you call a "left hand section". It seems that the
proscribed way to play CD's earlier instruments was *entirely* by using
the left had to operated the keys - yet those keys played treble-range
chords. There wasn't any right hand section and no "bass" section.

A few years later the flutina type accordion became more popular which
was played with the RIGHT hand playing the treble notes. The earliest of
these had a single treble row, and subsequent models had a second row.
Post by Gerd Mayer
By 1830 Demian-type
instruments were being copied in Belgium by Charles Buffet and in
Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ... These diatonic
instruments were made in various keys with brass reed work, having
ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons
The "two bass buttons" were NOT what modern day accordionists would
imagine them to be (e.g.: bass and chord), but were switches (that is,
could be turned off or on, not a button that would be depressed and
spring back) that sounded DRONE NOTES which were not particularly deep
(nor low-pitched).

-- Rich --
Mario Bruneau
2005-04-04 02:10:09 UTC
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Post by Richard Morse
I suggest that you check your definition and sources. Most people
consider an *accordion* to be a portable bellows-driven instrument >
which can sound *chords* - several tones when single key (button,
lever, stud...) is actuated. I believe that Buschmann's hand-aeoline
instruments were all single-noted.
Cyrill Damian's accordion patent of 1829 shows an instrument with
only > 5 keys (not 10). Each key sounded a *chord*. There WERE NO SINGLE
Post by Richard Morse
NOTES ON THIS INSTRUMENT. I certainly wouldn't call that a "modern"
accordion.
Richard Morse is right. May I add that Cyrill Demian put chords instead
of single notes to compete with the harmonica invented just before by
Buschmann. One can't accompany himself singing and at the same time
blow in his harmonica! Chord = Accord in french so the name was derived
from that. Accordion for Acchordion.

Please check a photo wich I have taken from M. Pierre Monichon's book
"L"Accordéon". He is a famous french accordion historian and I use his
book among other sources to illustrate my MultiMedia presentation on the
subject of the accordion.

Loading Image...
Post by Richard Morse
By 1830 Demian-type instruments were being copied in Belgium by
Charles Buffet and in Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ...
These diatonic instruments were made in various keys with brass reed
work, having ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons
The "two bass buttons" were NOT what modern day accordionists would
imagine them to be (e.g.: bass and chord), but were switches (that is,
could be turned off or on, not a button that would be depressed and
spring back) that sounded DRONE NOTES which were not particularly deep
(nor low-pitched).
-- Rich --
Again Rich is right. The left hand 2 buttons where only switchs to put
on and off the Drone notes like in a Bagpipe.

Please follow this link to show you the french accordions copied and
improved by the French. They eliminated the chords so all the buttons
where sounding two single notes (diatonic, push-pull the bellows)

Loading Image...

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johann pascher
2005-04-04 12:25:06 UTC
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Hi, Mario Bruneau and Richard Morse!

Your comments are absolute correct and the show that you both are very
interested in the subject as well.

The links to the pictures are great!

It is correct that the picture and the patent drawing show 5 Keys (10
Notes), but if one reeds the patent writing he got the patent for
instruments with much more keys.
He writes “The instrument can be built with 4, 5, and 6 or more keys.
„Da dieses Instrument mit 4, 5 und 6 oder auch mehreren Claves gemacht
werden kann“
http://www.accordion-online.de/instrum/demian4.htm
http://www.accordion-online.de/instrum/demian.htm
The patent also shows that an other variation would be to double the
instrument for both hands. 5 keys left and five keys right.

The instrument was very light ½ Pound. The main intention was to have a
transportable light and easy to playable instrument. New was the usage
of the name “Accordion” for the patent.


I never have seen the pictures on your site Mario Bruneau, but I cant
read French so my be I missed a lot. The history is really very
interesting I would wish more proven Facts would be around.
May by you have access to more info in French as there is in German or
English?
Have you seen this early accordions in natura as well?
The first time I have seen some of this early Accordions I was surprised
quite a lot.
The are so tiny and are more like toys compared even to the smallest
Cajun accordions toddy.

It is very difficult to credit someone with the invention of the accordion.
Even if we speak of certain elements or a combination of elements but
into action on a instrument.

Usage of free reeds - ware there before.
Bellows driven instrument – not handheld ware there before.
Usage of chords on a single key - ( As patent by Cyrill Damian) was
there before on mouth blown instruments.
Single note bellows driven instruments ware produced in Vienna before
the Padent of Damian was granted.
All the patents granted in Vienna around this time to some Accordions
builder deal with some parts or design variation on it.
An if one reads trough this patent writings this text shows that a lot
could not be patented because it was already usual practice of varies
producers and nothing new to invent.

http://www.petosa.com/acc/info/ac_info0.html
“But it was the Viennese Cyril Damian, of Armenian descent who patented
the accordion at Paris, on the 6th of May, 1829; a small four octave
instrument that was to be the basis for the development of an absolutely
revolutionary musical instrument. A reproduction of the original patent
is shown on a photographic panel in the entrance hall of the Museum,
near Paola Soprani's portrait the founder of the Italian accordion
industry. In Italy the accordion appeared for the first time in 1863. A
pilgrim passing through the territory of Castelfidardo on his pilgrimage
to the Sanctuary of the "Black Madonna" of Loreto, stopped by chance in
Antonio Soprani's farmhouse”


And I don’t think this copped Damean instrument uses chords for single
notes. In Vienna only the Patent writing exist but the don’t have a
Damean instrument. Most instruments of this early time have 8 keys with
a diatonic layout.

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And I think we could go on like this for a lot of things.

A major difference made that a production on Instruments started around
1830 in Vienna and the instruments ware selled and ware spread around
Europe.
Word exhibition in Paris (1855) also spread the new “Invetions”.
And a lot of exhibitions followed.
This early instruments had single notes not chords, and many variations
of the Accordion ware produced and even patented in this period.
My impression is, that if you had the combination of people knowing
music and being able to produce Technique of that time, the sow the
possibility of a new market and the used there chance.

In Vienna and other major European Towns You have watches makers,
bellows makers, organ builders, Piano makers and so on. And some of them
took opportunity to produce this new type of fames Instruments manly for
the reach people at that time.
In Saxony it also started very early, the had a long tradition of
Instrument making.
And the Scenario around Moscow may have not been a lot different.
In France and England it my have been not a lot different.
Charles Wheatstone with his invention of the concertina is sure
different from my few points.
He is much more of a Scientist. And then he used more modern technique
of the better industrialised Infrastructure in England at that time.

And it also seams to me that the music theoretical aspects and
background vary if we look at this early instruments presented in this
major musical centres of that time.
I have the impression that the key layout of Charles Wheatstone
concertina is very special.
And the instruments from France ware more like chromatic layouts and
have some in common with the Layouts of the Irish Button box Layout today.

Bigger diatonic Accordions as we have them today ware established on the
market around 1880. And for PA and CBA as we have them today it took
even longer.
Even if some early chromatic instruments had the same appearance on the
right hand side.
Nothing can be traced down with documents and patents as far as I know.

All changed after the Accordion production expanded in Castelfidardo and
in Trossingen.

Best regards, Johann
Post by Mario Bruneau
Post by Richard Morse
I suggest that you check your definition and sources. Most people
consider an *accordion* to be a portable bellows-driven instrument >
which can sound *chords* - several tones when single key (button,
lever, stud...) is actuated. I believe that Buschmann's hand-aeoline
instruments were all single-noted.
Cyrill Damian's accordion patent of 1829 shows an instrument with
only > 5 keys (not 10). Each key sounded a *chord*. There WERE NO SINGLE
Post by Richard Morse
NOTES ON THIS INSTRUMENT. I certainly wouldn't call that a "modern"
accordion.
Richard Morse is right. May I add that Cyrill Demian put chords instead
of single notes to compete with the harmonica invented just before by
Buschmann. One can't accompany himself singing and at the same time
blow in his harmonica! Chord = Accord in french so the name was derived
from that. Accordion for Acchordion.
Please check a photo wich I have taken from M. Pierre Monichon's book
"L"Accordéon". He is a famous french accordion historian and I use his
book among other sources to illustrate my MultiMedia presentation on the
subject of the accordion.
http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/Accordion1829.jpg
Post by Richard Morse
By 1830 Demian-type instruments were being copied in Belgium by
Charles Buffet and in Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ...
These diatonic instruments were made in various keys with brass reed
work, having ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons
The "two bass buttons" were NOT what modern day accordionists would
imagine them to be (e.g.: bass and chord), but were switches (that is,
could be turned off or on, not a button that would be depressed and
spring back) that sounded DRONE NOTES which were not particularly deep
(nor low-pitched).
-- Rich --
Again Rich is right. The left hand 2 buttons where only switchs to put
on and off the Drone notes like in a Bagpipe.
Please follow this link to show you the french accordions copied and
improved by the French. They eliminated the chords so all the buttons
where sounding two single notes (diatonic, push-pull the bellows)
http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/lesfrancais.jpg
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2005-04-04 15:52:53 UTC
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Post by johann pascher
The links to the pictures are great!
Except that I can't seem to access the links. I tried signing up for
this group too but somehow I still can't access it. It would be nice for
folks to put links to photos someplace where everyone could see them
without having to sign up for some group or other.
Post by johann pascher
It is correct that the picture and the patent drawing show 5 Keys (10
Notes),
No, I think that is 10 *chords*, not 10 *notes*.
Post by johann pascher
The patent also shows that an other variation would be to double the
instrument for both hands. 5 keys left and five keys right.
I can't seem to find that drawing on those links - or do you mean
"describes" rather than "shows"?

Another good link for information on early accordions is:
http://www.maccann-duet.com/chambers/chambers-michaelstein.htm#anchor-3-accordions

-- Rich --
johann pascher
2005-04-04 21:10:05 UTC
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Hi, Richard Morse!
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
The links to the pictures are great!
Except that I can't seem to access the links. I tried signing up for
this group too but somehow I still can't access it. It would be nice for
folks to put links to photos someplace where everyone could see them
without having to sign up for some group or other.
If you mean my link to the yahoo group diatonic, I will copy the
pictures to my server so every one can access them.
Unfortunately the pictures are very poor quality and not all objects are
available as picture.
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http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
It is correct that the picture and the patent drawing show 5 Keys (10
Notes),
No, I think that is 10 *chords*, not 10 *notes*.
Yes, my statement is not correct, you are right!
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
The patent also shows that an other variation would be to double the
instrument for both hands. 5 keys left and five keys right.
I can't seem to find that drawing on those links - or do you mean
"describes" rather than "shows"?
Yes!

„Mit den Dekel des Balges, läßt sich das ganze Instrument verdoppeln, so
daß man dadurch die Accorde vermehrt, oder auch mit einzelne Töne
spielen kann, in diesem Fall, muß ein zweyter Einsatz mit Federn, und
auch eine 2te Claviatur dazu kommen, der Blasebalg bleibt in der Mitte,
jede Hand dirigirt abwechselnd, entweder die Claves, oder den Balg.“

Notice that he writes: The instrument can be doubled, so one can
increase the amount of playable accords or Notes.

So he did include many variations in his text.
And on some other passage he mentions that the use of accords was the
reviling new patent what leads to the impression using single notes
would have been not that new.
http://www.maccann-duet.com/chambers/chambers-michaelstein.htm#anchor-3-accordions
Tank you, really a great site with very good information and wonderful
pictures!

A real pleasure to visit this site!
And I think it also makes it clear that we cant credit a single person
with the invention of the accordion.

It is great that the history of the concertina is much more reliable
because Charles Wheatstone and other producers documented and dated
there instruments.
In Vienna the process was not concentrated to a single production place
and it seams the did not care to document or date the instruments, so
the only documents left seam to be this patent writings and patent
samples kept at the national science museum.

Trough your link I fond an other interesting site:

http://www.chemnitz-concertina.de/de/dokumentation/html/

Interesting that the have a picture of a early harmonium built at 1820
in Vienna.
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This Page mentions „1810 Eschenbach Aeoline /Königshofen Bavaria:
Eschenbach used free reeds on a Instrument similar to a piano and the
reeds looked much like mouth blown jews harps.
Made from a single steel parts each reed glued separately to a wooden
soundboard.

http://www.chemnitz-concertina.de/de/geschichte/ueberblick.htm

so really the first free reed instruments as we know them today ware
used on harmonium like instruments and the used piano keyboards as usual
on organs at that time.

And if we take in account that other type of reeds ware used before in
charge organs,

Who invented the accordions?


Best regards, Joahnn




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Richard Morse
2005-04-05 01:19:43 UTC
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Post by johann pascher
I will copy the
pictures to my server so every one can access them.
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien/ChristianSeinkellner1840Wien.jpg
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien
Thank you! You have some very interesting photos!

The top accordion in
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appears to be identical to one we have in our pile of odd-balls. The
center bellows frame is narrow at the top and a couple inches wide at
the bottom with a hole (about 1") in it. Do you have any idea what that
was for? I'm assuming that there may have been some sort of hose stuck
into to to a foot pump for more vacuum assist?

-- Rich --
J. Coon
2005-04-05 04:40:05 UTC
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maybe it was part of a mechanical music making machine? I have seen
some pretty fancy ones with all kinds of instruments connected and
played by a piano roll or some sort of sequencing mechinism. They
typicly used a vacuum to make the attached devices work. I even saw one
that used a violin and bowed it. the violin was kept in tune by hanging
weights on each string instead of using standard tuning pegs.
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
I will copy the
pictures to my server so every one can access them.
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien/ChristianSeinkellner1840Wien.jpg
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien
Thank you! You have some very interesting photos!
The top accordion in
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien/deutschland1870.jpg
appears to be identical to one we have in our pile of odd-balls. The
center bellows frame is narrow at the top and a couple inches wide at
the bottom with a hole (about 1") in it. Do you have any idea what that
was for? I'm assuming that there may have been some sort of hose stuck
into to to a foot pump for more vacuum assist?
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johann pascher
2005-04-05 09:25:05 UTC
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Hi, Richard Morse!
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
I will copy the
pictures to my server so every one can access them.
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien/ChristianSeinkellner1840Wien.jpg
Post by Richard Morse
Post by johann pascher
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien
Thank you! You have some very interesting photos!
It just to bad that the quality is so bad.
And I wish I would have all objects in pictures I have seen until yet.
Post by Richard Morse
The top accordion in
http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/museum-wien/deutschland1870.jpg
Post by Richard Morse
appears to be identical to one we have in our pile of odd-balls. The
center bellows frame is narrow at the top and a couple inches wide at
the bottom with a hole (about 1") in it. Do you have any idea what that
was for? I'm assuming that there may have been some sort of hose stuck
into to to a foot pump for more vacuum assist?
Cant answer for sure, but I could imagine it could have been some sort
of extra air supply.
In Saxony the produced very early a lot of mechanical self playing
machines some hand operated with a case for the for. Ands really big
equipments for restaurants.
I never have seen an accordion in a big orchestron until jet.
The collection of orchestrons in diverse museums are rather large. The
assortment in The Venice science museum is nearly one flour in the
building.

My be it was for some other reason, could it have been just for a stand
to support the player?
I will keep it in mind. We could ask in the museum at Zwota the have a
real good assortment of old Accordions and a lot of literature.

http://www.vogtlandkreis.de/zwota/museum.htm
The have a service to identify items by a picture:
http://www.kunst-und-kultur.de/Museumsdatenbank/send_pic.php/1129/

The type of accordion you mention is surly a production from Saxony in
the early times.


In the museum of marktneukirchen there are also very interesting objects
of early accordions.
Some are from France with a sort of mechanic to switches oft one
register with leavers to block a set of reed by tough switching every
tong of the register with a felt padded leaver.

I have some pictures but nearly unusable because I just made the picture
trough the glass before I had a good digital camera.

http://elektor.htl-leonding.ac.at/~jp/privat/marktneukirchen/

Best regards, Johann



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Mario Bruneau
2005-04-04 23:28:37 UTC
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Post by johann pascher
I never have seen the pictures on your site Mario Bruneau, but I cant
read French so my be I missed a lot.
They are not "visible" or linked from my site, I have put them for this
NG only. I will translate my site in English soon.
Post by johann pascher
May by you have access to more info in French as there is in German or
English?
I have this superb french book from M. Pierre Monichon, a famous
accordion historian:

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Post by johann pascher
Have you seen this early accordions in natura as well?
The first time I have seen some of this early Accordions I was surprised
quite a lot.
The are so tiny and are more like toys compared even to the smallest
Cajun accordions toddy.
I was at M. Pierre Monichon's house in 1999 and had the oppoturnity to
visit his little museum. In this next picture, I am holding one of
Demian's first accordion. Check a picture here:

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Post by johann pascher
It is very difficult to credit someone with the invention of the accordion.
Even if we speak of certain elements or a combination of elements but
into action on a instrument.
Yes indeed. Check out for instance the fact that the Chromatic system
invented in 1850 by Walter From Vienna was used only in 1897 by Paolo
Soprani but in 1854, Matthäus Bauer fits a piano keyboard to a diatonic
accordion! Look what his piano keyboard looked like:

http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/diatoniquepiano.html

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Richard Morse
2005-04-05 01:12:02 UTC
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Post by Mario Bruneau
Check out for instance the fact that the Chromatic system
invented in 1850 by Walter From Vienna was used only in 1897 by Paolo
Soprani but in 1854, Matthäus Bauer fits a piano keyboard to a diatonic
http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/diatoniquepiano.html
We have some old boxes built like that too. Each row is a different
diatonic key. I was told that they made them this way to be more
"acceptable" to "the audience" (as opposed to the players who really
knew that it was diatonic and didn't care what the listeners thought so
long as they got the gig) who were more familiar with the "more
acceptable" piano.

-- Rich --
Gerd Mayer
2005-04-04 13:10:05 UTC
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Hi Johann,
I am very glad my comment on accordion use on a vessel bound for Australia in the 1930's resulted in such interesting commentary from so many knowledgable accordionists, including yourself. Everyday I learn!
Gerd

johann pascher <***@yahoo.de> wrote:

Hi, Mario Bruneau and Richard Morse!

Your comments are absolute correct and the show that you both are very
interested in the subject as well.

The links to the pictures are great!

It is correct that the picture and the patent drawing show 5 Keys (10
Notes), but if one reeds the patent writing he got the patent for
instruments with much more keys.
He writes “The instrument can be built with 4, 5, and 6 or more keys.
„Da dieses Instrument mit 4, 5 und 6 oder auch mehreren Claves gemacht
werden kann“
http://www.accordion-online.de/instrum/demian4.htm
http://www.accordion-online.de/instrum/demian.htm
The patent also shows that an other variation would be to double the
instrument for both hands. 5 keys left and five keys right.

The instrument was very light œ Pound. The main intention was to have a
transportable light and easy to playable instrument. New was the usage
of the name “Accordion” for the patent.


I never have seen the pictures on your site Mario Bruneau, but I cant
read French so my be I missed a lot. The history is really very
interesting I would wish more proven Facts would be around.
May by you have access to more info in French as there is in German or
English?
Have you seen this early accordions in natura as well?
The first time I have seen some of this early Accordions I was surprised
quite a lot.
The are so tiny and are more like toys compared even to the smallest
Cajun accordions toddy.

It is very difficult to credit someone with the invention of the accordion.
Even if we speak of certain elements or a combination of elements but
into action on a instrument.

Usage of free reeds - ware there before.
Bellows driven instrument – not handheld ware there before.
Usage of chords on a single key - ( As patent by Cyrill Damian) was
there before on mouth blown instruments.
Single note bellows driven instruments ware produced in Vienna before
the Padent of Damian was granted.
All the patents granted in Vienna around this time to some Accordions
builder deal with some parts or design variation on it.
An if one reads trough this patent writings this text shows that a lot
could not be patented because it was already usual practice of varies
producers and nothing new to invent.

http://www.petosa.com/acc/info/ac_info0.html
“But it was the Viennese Cyril Damian, of Armenian descent who patented
the accordion at Paris, on the 6th of May, 1829; a small four octave
instrument that was to be the basis for the development of an absolutely
revolutionary musical instrument. A reproduction of the original patent
is shown on a photographic panel in the entrance hall of the Museum,
near Paola Soprani's portrait the founder of the Italian accordion
industry. In Italy the accordion appeared for the first time in 1863. A
pilgrim passing through the territory of Castelfidardo on his pilgrimage
to the Sanctuary of the "Black Madonna" of Loreto, stopped by chance in
Antonio Soprani's farmhouse”


And I don’t think this copped Damean instrument uses chords for single
notes. In Vienna only the Patent writing exist but the don’t have a
Damean instrument. Most instruments of this early time have 8 keys with
a diatonic layout.

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/diatonic/vwp?.dir=/Exhibition+in+Vienna&.src=gr&.dnm=JosefMueller1839-Wien.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/diatonic/lst%3f%26.dir=/Exhibition%2bin%2bVienna%26.src=gr%26.view=t


http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/diatonic/lst?.dir=/Exhibition+in+Vienna&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/


And I think we could go on like this for a lot of things.

A major difference made that a production on Instruments started around
1830 in Vienna and the instruments ware selled and ware spread around
Europe.
Word exhibition in Paris (1855) also spread the new “Invetions”.
And a lot of exhibitions followed.
This early instruments had single notes not chords, and many variations
of the Accordion ware produced and even patented in this period.
My impression is, that if you had the combination of people knowing
music and being able to produce Technique of that time, the sow the
possibility of a new market and the used there chance.

In Vienna and other major European Towns You have watches makers,
bellows makers, organ builders, Piano makers and so on. And some of them
took opportunity to produce this new type of fames Instruments manly for
the reach people at that time.
In Saxony it also started very early, the had a long tradition of
Instrument making.
And the Scenario around Moscow may have not been a lot different.
In France and England it my have been not a lot different.
Charles Wheatstone with his invention of the concertina is sure
different from my few points.
He is much more of a Scientist. And then he used more modern technique
of the better industrialised Infrastructure in England at that time.

And it also seams to me that the music theoretical aspects and
background vary if we look at this early instruments presented in this
major musical centres of that time.
I have the impression that the key layout of Charles Wheatstone
concertina is very special.
And the instruments from France ware more like chromatic layouts and
have some in common with the Layouts of the Irish Button box Layout today.

Bigger diatonic Accordions as we have them today ware established on the
market around 1880. And for PA and CBA as we have them today it took
even longer.
Even if some early chromatic instruments had the same appearance on the
right hand side.
Nothing can be traced down with documents and patents as far as I know.

All changed after the Accordion production expanded in Castelfidardo and
in Trossingen.

Best regards, Johann
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Post by Richard Morse
I suggest that you check your definition and sources. Most people
consider an *accordion* to be a portable bellows-driven instrument >
which can sound *chords* - several tones when single key (button,
lever, stud...) is actuated. I believe that Buschmann's hand-aeoline
instruments were all single-noted.
Cyrill Damian's accordion patent of 1829 shows an instrument with
only > 5 keys (not 10). Each key sounded a *chord*. There WERE NO SINGLE
Post by Richard Morse
NOTES ON THIS INSTRUMENT. I certainly wouldn't call that a "modern"
accordion.
Richard Morse is right. May I add that Cyrill Demian put chords instead
of single notes to compete with the harmonica invented just before by
Buschmann. One can't accompany himself singing and at the same time
blow in his harmonica! Chord = Accord in french so the name was derived
from that. Accordion for Acchordion.
Please check a photo wich I have taken from M. Pierre Monichon's book
"L"Accordéon". He is a famous french accordion historian and I use his
book among other sources to illustrate my MultiMedia presentation on the
subject of the accordion.
http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/Accordion1829.jpg
Post by Richard Morse
By 1830 Demian-type instruments were being copied in Belgium by
Charles Buffet and in Paris by J.-B.-N. Fourneux and M. Busson ...
These diatonic instruments were made in various keys with brass reed
work, having ten to 12 treble keys and two bass buttons
The "two bass buttons" were NOT what modern day accordionists would
imagine them to be (e.g.: bass and chord), but were switches (that is,
could be turned off or on, not a button that would be depressed and
spring back) that sounded DRONE NOTES which were not particularly deep
(nor low-pitched).
-- Rich --
Again Rich is right. The left hand 2 buttons where only switchs to put
on and off the Drone notes like in a Bagpipe.
Please follow this link to show you the french accordions copied and
improved by the French. They eliminated the chords so all the buttons
where sounding two single notes (diatonic, push-pull the bellows)
http://www.abcde.net/mariobruneau/lesfrancais.jpg
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